This comment thread 😂

@Adokun
Okay now I understand thank you.

@hokujin It was definitely covered, at least I remember it being

reverse harem there... like in all most shoujo story

@DeanWinchester
Hey, so there is someone that's ACTUALLY reading the manga, I was starting to wonder...
I don't know about killing, but I am sure that rewarding people that betrayed you and killed a lot of your actually loyal fellows is not a sound strategy.

@GreyZone
The exact same applies to you with your "it's an unfair comparison".

Not really, considering I've repeatedly said what I've said about poor attempts at subverting expectations with cop out justifications. How bout Milim and DragonBro which are basically walking get out of jail free cards for SlimeBro? Or the Charydbis fight which was pretty damn out of no where, with reasons as it's justification to make it interesting and sideline Milim, IIRC? Or pretty much any fight that starts with Rimiru's subordinates getting their asses kicked and he comes in to save them because "oops, he can eat them faster than they can eat him and he's nice and convinced them to let him eat them" or "oops, laser death beams from above that use almost no magic".

@Yautja
While you keep insisting about "lesser quality of dialogue" which I disagree with, since you have no examples offered so far, it feels like it's currently just based on "because you say so" and nothing else.
And parts of your argument have changed now, since you all of a sudden bring up "Deux Ex Machina" which is new. I disagree. Things have been well foreshadowed so far, so I am calling your bluff here. If you have any such Dei Ex Machina, then I challenege you to tell me what they are, but I will only allow that for the LN/manga, since the WN is of lesser quality and the anime skipped various parts.

@Kayriel I know that feeling all too well

I find it funny that there's folks literally talking about what's going to be happening next but I'm the one who got hit with a spoiler warning for making a joke.

I get the feeling like this part was handled a lot better in the WN. I don't recall the witch ever talking to Rimuru about her past.

Wow, a whole page taken by three people internet-arguing.

haha manga amarite fellas

@Kaldrak
Oh you want to play that game? How bout I point out how you lied out your ass about something you never read. You claimed Overlord had no "nation building" when it 100% did in both your definition and the correct one. I wonder what fallacy that falls under? Or how bout I point out that your entire argument is an ambiguity fallacy considering your misleading and incorrect usage of the word? If you're going to bitch about fallacies, don't be the source of them. You're the one who made shit difficult by
A) Lying and saying Overlord doesn't do "Nation Building"
B) Claim Overlord is "strip mining the world" instead of nation building.
C) Claiming world building can be a part of nation building and further muddying the waters.
D) Use a personal and incorrect definition of a word.
If you talk about say Computer Science and I start talking about programming, you don't bitch at me for moving goal posts when you really meant to talk about doing chemistry on a computer. That's not me using a fallacy, it's you using a fallacy and being misleading or wrong and blaming me for it.

You just don't get, do you? The nation building "you meant" doesn't exist. Nation building is an actual term and you used it wrong. I can't blame you for misunderstanding me if I say "global warming" in reference to globes being hot or some shit or pretend that's an acceptable definition. So if you're going to blame anyone for "shift goal posts" or misunderstandings, it's 100% your fault for using an existing term in an incorrect fashion. What I meant by nation building is the actual definition of the word and the closest relevant definition through world building. If you're going to bitch about me "shifting" my argument, maybe clarify that you're using a term in a manner that it isn't used in. Not that it matters in this case considering even with your original meaning, you're still fucking wrong because your argument rests on the fact that you said Overlord doesn't do Nation Building.

Still waiting for that definition. Because hey, it proves my point and shows that your usage of the term was wrong and any misunderstands or confusion is your fucking fault.

@Yautja
You bore me.

Your entire argument has been a "motte and bailey" fallacy. Once you realized that what I meant by nation building wasn't what you meant, then you decided to goalpost shift into an 'argumentum ad dictionarium' fallacy. What you meant by nation building was not what I meant, and you went on at length about worldbuilding, which I wasn't even originally talking about. Because you thought I was talking about something I wasn't.

So, since you're being a pedantic little pussy about everything, I will restate my point, such as it was originally, so you can clearly understand me. When I use the phrase, 'nation building' yes, I mean it literally. E. fucking G. I LIKE the 'nation building' (building a nation from scratch) in Slime, which makes it interesting to me. I make no claims one way or another about the 'worldbuilding' (background work, characters/places/etc.) in Overlord, other than that I think the writing is trash and I don't like any of the characters in it.

Now, does that satisfy you, or do you really want to just point at me and completely misunderstand what I'm trying to say, AGAIN, and go 'nahnahnahnah not liiiistening! You're using the phrase wrong! Nanananananaaahhhh! Admit I'm right about this which has absolutely nothing to do with either Overlord or Slime but I'm riiiiiiiigghhttttt!!!!!!

Which is what you've BEEN doing this whole time.

@Kaldrak
Still waiting for that definition.

An ad hominem is when you insult someone instead of addressing their point. I've addressed your points everytime and sometimes boxed it up nicely an insult when you were being especially stupid. So no, I haven't whereas you have. That's why I said something about an ad hominem in regards to your previous comment, not the one before that saying stuff about being a "tl;dr".

@Yautja
You throw out a million insults of your own at me, and all I've said is you're bad at arguing, and then YOU claim I'm doing an 'ad hominem.'

Dude...duuuude. Like, wow. You're spectacularly unselfaware. Here you go. I think you need this:

@Kaldrak
Textbook ad hominem. Those definitions prove you wrong and you admit to lying so now you go "lul u bad". I'll wait for you to find a current definition which states nation building refers to building a country from scratch.

@Yautja
You're BAD at this...but keep going. I find it terribly amusing.

@GreyZone
So you're just in a habit of not reading or misreading it seems. Since I've never bitched multiple times about it being rushed, or the manga having bad pace and I didn't write that "poem". Go reread that quote.

And no, you sure haven't and it isn't unfair. You've just overly focused on a misunderstanding on your part and ignored most of what I originally said. The plot changes, while they do improve / reduce some of them, those complaints still stand. The world building especially, schemes and dialogue, are of worse quality when compared to Overlord. None of that somehow shows me comparing the Overlord series to this is unfair.

That nightmare flow chart, while it probably needs to be tweaked is still relevant, you never sated the consequence point, nor how someone else bitching about Overlord having bad tension and inferior World building is ridiculous. Nor how the drama is so easily and borderline deus ex machina resolved. How this manga fails at subverting expectations or that, similarly to the lack of consequences, is far too happy go lucky.

The other dude is a straight up liar, and you just don't read what you're responding to very well it seems. It seems you and I are far too disconnected.

@Kaldrak
Yea, because you're referring to fictional stories. It's almost like the context of usage of a word makes it mean different things. Regardless, your usage of the word is still wrong, notice how even in that quote it say "has recently become independent". You know what that means? The nation already existed, it's just got a new identity. Nation building does not mean building a country from scratch, as is done in this series or as you tried to assert it. And all of these definitions prove that. As does the definition of world building when the word is used in a fictional.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/nation-building
https://www.definitions.net/definition/nation-building
https://www.davemanuel.com/investor-dictionary/nation-building/

Wow. What I got is you being a liar. What I got is you insulting a series in an attempt to distract from the fact that you were talking out your ass since the first comment and have literally no ground to stand on. You claimed to know something, you clearly don't. You used a word meaning something it clearly doesn't. And you've just admitted it and ended with a generic quipy insult to try and make it seem like you're right. Bravo.

@Yautja
Someone missed my edit so: Also your search was for 'fictional' nation building. That gets you quite a different search result from just nation building, because the first result when you google the phrase nation building is literally this: "The creation or development of a nation, especially one that has recently become independent."

You're funny. ^_^

Now, I will admit to one thing. I didn't read very far into the Overlord WN or LN, as they are both written poorly with unfortunate, excruciating detail (horrible, nonstop exposition, poor/nonexistent character motivations/insane 'plans' that don't make any damn sense, and a roster of completely unlikable idiots). So you got me there.

The rest of your post is yawn inducing TLDR. :P